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Why Big Brands Refresh Their Logos | Ep. 8
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Walmart refreshed its logo and the internet laughed because “it looks the same.” That reaction is exactly why we wanted to talk about it. When a logo update is done well, it can feel subtle while still changing how the brand reads on your phone, on a storefront, and inside an app. We break down what Walmart actually changed and why those small shifts in font, color, and symbol design can quietly boost trust, clarity, and engagement.
From there, we zoom out to the question small business owners keep asking us: what is a logo supposed to do? We keep it plain. A logo is not a work of art and it doesn’t need a complicated story. Its job is recognition. We talk about the fundamentals of strong logo design and brand identity: timelessness, scalability across merch and digital, clean reproduction in black and white, and why color consistency gets messy when you move from hex codes online to print production.
We also get practical about when to consider a logo refresh or a full rebrand. If your audience shifts, your offer changes, or you’re moving toward a more premium market, your visual identity should match where your business is going. We share how to test logo options with real clients (not friends and family), how to avoid looking “all over the place” with mismatched marks, and why you don’t need to be a billion-dollar brand to think strategically like one.
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Why Corporate Logos Change
SpeakerWelcome to the Brand Currency Podcast. This is a show where you break down branding and design in a way that actually makes sense for your business. I'm your host, Charles McGill, and this is my lovely co-host.
Speaker 1Hi, I'm Jonsi McGill. I'm also his wife and business partner.
SpeakerThat's right, that's right. So we are here to actually dive into a topic that's got a lot of big business energy. Okay, what we're going to be talking about is why big corporations often change their logos. Well, I mean not often, but they do it a lot. What do you think about that, babe?
Speaker 1Well, I think it's definitely something we need to discuss because sometimes these big businesses will do these changes to their logo without really us noticing. They could have so many different iterations, and you know, they're always constantly improving their logo, improving, you know, what they're doing. And I think, you know, it's time for small business owners to maybe think about their brand in the same type of way.
SpeakerThat's right. Things we can learn from that. Sometimes they're subtle changes, sometimes they're big changes. We're gonna be talking about what you guys can learn from that uh on this episode.
Walmart’s Refresh And The Internet
SpeakerAll right, so John C have you noticed that like uh, you know, these brands like Walmart, PayPal, Instagram, through the years, they refresh their logos, right? Sometimes the changes are subtle, sometimes they're massive, right? But there's always a reason behind them, right? Um, so the thing is that like people don't fully understand sometimes is that how like their brand's visuals can signal different things for their business. Um, so if your logo is like outdated or it's unclear or it's just not aligned with your business, um, you know, you might be leaving them money on the table, right? For example, Walmart. Do you notice? Did you remember the Walmart change?
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like it it was all over social media. Yes, yes.
SpeakerOkay, what were they saying in social media?
Speaker 1Okay, so I remember folks were saying things like, there's no difference, you know, they probably spent millions of dollars on this and it looks the same, but it really clearly looks different. And, you know, I think they're trying to change with the times. What do you think?
SpeakerYeah, no, it it definitely looked different to me, you know, because for my design eye, but to your point, like there were a lot of people who felt like there was no change at all.
Speaker 1Oh, they were cracking jokes.
SpeakerHell, they had mad jokes. Mad jokes because really it to the naked eye, it didn't seem like much of a change, right? But but for the most part, at least according to Walmart, and I'll read a little bit what Mark Walmart was saying. Basically, Walmart updated the logo to modernize his brand and reflect his focus on digital innovation. So the new logo included like a streamlined font. They kind of changed their font, it ref refine the color scheme, so make it a little brighter.
Speaker 1Yeah, it looks so much better. Yeah, like the brightness of it because the old logo, it did look a little like kind of faded, like it was given like kind of 80s, kind of, you know, that that yellowish faded vibe.
SpeakerYeah, well, interesting too. You wouldn't notice the fade until you saw the new one. Right. Right. So you had to see the new version to see that they changed the colors, a brighter blue, a brighter yellow, um, and that they actually made, according to them, made the logo marker, logo symbol, the spark more approachable.
Speaker 3Right?
SpeakerSo some of the key changes, once again, were the font, a more digital-friendly font, um uh that you know was like custom design to diff differentiate Walmart, right? They wanted to differentiate, which is funny how how they say they wanted to do that, but people are like they didn't really notice the difference. Uh, once again, the color scheme, a little brighter blue, yellow, right? The spark was different, um, a little more like uh, I think the sticker, a little thicker sparks. Um and also, you know, they said that the the the the word mark was actually inspired by a trucker hat uh uh from the Walmart founder, Sam Walton, that the the mark was actually uh inspired by the trucker hat. So, you know, basically their intention was to become more like tech empowered.
Speaker 3Right?
SpeakerBecause you think about Walmart, every time you see Walmart now, they you they also have an app.
Speaker 1So I was about to mention that. I have, you know, back when we had our other business, I was going to Walmart all the time. Wait, well, talk about our other business. They don't they don't know. For those who don't know, our first business together was an in-home preschool. Yes. So I was the preschool director, and Charles ran the operations and things like that. So I was running in the wall, Walmart was right around the corner. Right around the corner. Right around the corner. I was like, thank you. So if I ever needed, you know, extra milk or you know, food or anything like that, I could just run right over there. And using the app, I was using that app all the time for pickups, yeah, for to make payments with our business credit card. I just saved it in there and then I could just do the payments. But when they did this logo refresh, I did notice the app looks way different. Like the the um, what do they call that? The little icon. Yeah. What's that called?
SpeakerAn icon?
Speaker 1Okay, fine. Yes. The app icon is like way more brighter, and it actually makes me want to go use their app, like interact with it a little bit more because it looks fresh and new. It looks like an app.
SpeakerYeah. Yeah, yeah. So the thing is too, I remember actually, I remember me like really trying to encourage you to use the app because you did want to sometimes go to the store.
Speaker 1I know.
SpeakerAnd I would be like, Don't, don't leave the house.
Speaker 1Because I'm kind of old school like that.
SpeakerI'm like, just have them delivered. And I remember they had like a monthly subscription and they would deliver the groceries, was really convenient because we'd be, you know, there at the daycare doing our thing, and then you know, we get a knock on the door and the groceries would all be there. Um, the only thing you didn't like about it was what?
Speaker 1The janky produce, but that's a whole nother topic. Yes.
SpeakerSo you didn't like them picking out your produce?
Speaker 1No, I have I'm very particular when it comes to my produce. Yeah, I don't like my bread squished.
SpeakerAnd also um eggs, right? Sometimes they wouldn't pick the eggs outright. Because there's all these rules, right? When you pick out stuff from the store. Especially, you know, I'm just particular. Yeah.
Speaker 1So you know.
SpeakerIt's like who, who, who, who raised them?
Speaker 1Whose mama raised them together? Who took you to the grocery store and taught you how to pick out fruit and veggies?
SpeakerExactly. So Walmart uh reveals this like modern new logo, and the internet just can't see the difference, right? Which I think is hilarious because like subtly they can, though. They may not realize it, but my guess is that the app usage is probably up because it looks more like an app, it's more inviting. What I did notice too is that the outside of the buildings have the new logo.
Speaker 1Yeah, that was quick. Yeah, it's quick. And the trucks, too. I was driving, and the back of the truck had the new logo.
SpeakerIt looks more inviting. I I don't I don't know what it is, but it just looks more inviting. And it's it's like a subtle thing. I don't know. The blue, the yellow, like everything it sounds like they intentionally did, it actually is working. Even if people can't like see the difference, like, you know, right off the bat.
Speaker 1It's those subtle things that, you know, make people want to interact and engage.
SpeakerThat's right. The subtle things make a difference, even in person, right? If you meet somebody and you know, they are, let's say they're dressed in a tailored suit, and they got the little uh the little um initials on their uh, you know what I'm saying, on the cuffs of the shirt. On the cuffs of the shirt. What does that tell you? The little initials tell you what?
Speaker 1They care, it's custom.
SpeakerIt's custom. So it costs a little bit more, costs a little bit more, right? Not everybody has that. So it's little there's little things that that's kind of signal things to you. And I think Walmart also made some some changes to kind of signal those those differences. Um so they're calling it a comprehensive brand refresh. Would you say it's comprehensive? You would you use that word?
Speaker 1I mean it's subtle. Comprehensive means like, you know, you're able to really reimagine something, you know, you're really able to dive deep and understand it more. Yeah. So do you think people understand the brand more?
SpeakerI mean, I think that it's I don't know if I call it comprehensive. Comprehensive to me means like totality. Like it's like it covered all bases. I don't know if it did all that.
Speaker 1Well, it didn't because it created all this, you know, well, it definitely created all the controversy and it did create a buzz.
SpeakerBut I don't know if it covered every angle.
Speaker 1Nah.
SpeakerAccording to uh the news release, the the updated branding, according to like Walmart, will better represent who Walmart is today. The company said some of the key features were um the things we already talked about, but basically they gave it like a modern custom font. And the key thing is that they feel like it differentiates them, Walmart, from the rest of the crowd. Who they talking about? What's the other crowd?
Speaker 1I mean, the only other people they compete with is Amazon.
SpeakerOkay, okay, okay. So yeah, for me, like I don't, I didn't, I don't see the difference like our target. Yeah, exactly. Differentiate from the rest of the crowd. That's kind of crazy. Um, but I mean, you know, it was cool. I think, I think it was, I think it was, I think it was well done. I think it was intentional. I don't think it was necessarily like controversial. I think the controversy is that people couldn't see the difference, but I think the intentionality around it um matches what they actually, you know, did and they made it more modern, and I think that makes sense. And I think that, you know, businesses, small businesses should be considering that as well.
What A Logo Is Really For
SpeakerSo, you know, basically when you look at Walmart and his changes, the one thing that like small businesses should consider is that a logo is more than just a pretty design, right? It's something that tells people about their brand, right? And there's also some psychology around how the brand is perceived. But for a lot of people, I think they don't really understand like what the logo is supposed to do.
Speaker 1So, what is a logo supposed to do for a business? I know it's like, you know, it's supposed to make like a memorable impression on prospects, clients, and their audience, but is it really deeper? Like, is a logo that deep?
SpeakerIt really ain't. I mean, I mean, like, like, I'm gonna be real with you, like the main, the main point of a logo is to be recognizable. Okay. That's it. I think we gotta demystify this whole logo thing. The main thing is to be recognizable, right? There are certain like things that you want to make sure your logo is when you create it. It's gotta be timeless, right? Timeless because as you go through different, you know, decades and trends, your logo should stand the test of time and still look good, right? If it doesn't, you you gotta change it, right? But the intention is when you make it is to make it kind of timeless, to make it memorable, right? And to make it recognizable for your brand. That's it. Really, the point of a logo, the job of a logo, is that when you see it, it reminds you of the brand. Okay, that's it. Now, what now what is a brand?
Speaker 1Does the logo have to be like a work of art and like tell a story? Because I've seen some logos, especially recently. I don't I don't know why. I've just been paying attention to all these different logos, especially for small businesses. Yes, and they just have like all these different elements, like it tells a story of a person coming down the ladder and walking to the beach, and there's a beach and a ladder, and the sun and a lighthouse, and uh all this, all these different images in one logo. Does that make sense?
SpeakerWell, okay, I'll say it like this it makes sense to them, right? It makes sense to the person that that probably made it. It probably won't make sense to your clients. Because the thing is, like, the logo's job, it's just to remind that person of your brand. So that when they see it, they're like, oh, that's so and so, and they do XYZ. That's it. Nike, when you see a Nike swoosh, you're not, you don't really like no one really cares about the story of the suit, the swoosh. No one really even knows what it is. They just know that when they see it, it reminds them of shoes, it reminds them of athletic wear. That's it. That's the point. Like, and and and people sometimes they have a you know, they've uh put their cartoon images on it, they've put like a you know, a whole drawing on it. The reason why that's not uh advisable, so there's a couple things, like you need logo to be to be.
Speaker 1No knock to anybody with the cartoon logos.
SpeakerNo, I'm not trying to knock, I'm just saying, like, so once again, the key things for logos, they gotta be timeless, recognizable, it's scalable too. I forgot to include that one. As in, it should look good on a you know, something really small, like on a hat or a shirt or blown up on like a billboard or digital displays. Like it has to be able to have you know different mediums across all mediums, across all mediums has to look good. So if you got too much detail in the logo, it's if it's too like defined and just you know hand-drawn and all that, it it's gonna be hard to replicate. And also if it just has too many clock colors in it, if it's got too many colors in it, you're trying to like put it on certain things, like they don't have the same color codes, it becomes a whole nightmare, right? So it also's gotta look good in like black and white. The color codes. So what are the like what what do you mean by color codes? So your your logo's colors look a certain way on the on the internet and the web, it's like you have the hex codes, but when you go get it printed, there's different other codes uh that the print shop uses um that are not hex codes.
Speaker 1Uh RGB and these other so for like online branding versus in-person branding. Yes. Offline branding.
SpeakerOffline or in-person, yeah, printed, printed materials, it's different. The colors are different. Sometimes your orange online may not be the same orange unless they have to like mix it and like create that color. So there's like it's it's a lot. And people don't really think about that. But if you're working with a design company, they should be thinking about that and help you out with that. But if you're doing it yourself, you're probably not even thinking about all those things.
Speaker 1Your cousin from around the way to make a low.
SpeakerYeah.
Speaker 1Just trying it out.
SpeakerThey're not thinking about all that. But see, Walmart is. So Walmart is. So Walmart is already knowing that the colors that they're choosing are gonna translate no matter where they put them, they're gonna stay the same. If it's on a billboard, if it's on a shirt, if it's on a hat, it don't matter. It's gonna look the same. They're they're thinking about all that, right? And making sure, and that's one thing about small businesses, like we need to understand that the job of that logo is to remind someone of the brand. And the work we need to do is to make sure our brand is giving people the experience that they should have so that when they see our logo, they have good, like, you know, good feeling about our brand. It brings a good feeling. Like with us, you know, people see the panda, right? They're like, panda.
Speaker 1I love our baby panda.
SpeakerYou call it baby panda.
Speaker 1I know, it's baby panda.
SpeakerYeah.
Speaker 1Just panda.
SpeakerIt's just panda. Okay. But when they see the panda, they think about you and me. Right? And it and and even, you know, they they'll they'll be shouting. We'll be in Walmart. We'll be uh different places. They'll be like hey panda.
Speaker 1Different business conferences. We'll be like, hey panda. Hey, panda. Go talk to panda.
SpeakerThat's right. And what and what is it associated with? When they see the panda, what do they think? They think about our services. They're like, oh yeah, you guys do design and things like that. And that's the whole point of it, right? It's not necessarily like sometimes people ask me what the story is around a panda, and I have a story around the panda, but it really ain't the point. Like, the point is just for people to recognize it. It to be something that can translate in different mediums, right? I can wear it on my hat, I can wear it on a polo, I can wear it on a hoodie, I could we could put it on a big billboard, and people are like, oh, that's the panda. And that panda means websites, graphics, funnels, design. There you go. There it is. That's it.
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When A Small Business Should Refresh
Speaker 1So, you know, let's really back to small business owners. So, when should a small business refresh their logo to keep up with the times like Walmart did?
SpeakerYeah, that's a good question. I think that um the best time or when you should be considering it is as you evolve as a business. Sometimes you notice that your audience changes, right? As your offer changes, as you evolve, you might have originally started to focus on, let's say, a certain segment, right? Let's say you were focused originally on um like an older crowd, maybe you were focused on like 50 and up, and you wanted to go after like retirees that were, you know, going to get into coaching and want to speak, right? Let's say that was your niche. And so you had a logo and a brand that made sense for that audience. But as you've been evolving and as you've been kind of maybe putting your offer out there and you've met more people, now you're like, okay, I actually want to reach a younger demographic. I'm I'm I'm looking for more of the 30 to to 50 range. And so it may make sense at that point to consider a logo refresh to signal that you're, you know, just kind of evolving your company, but also focusing on a different audience. So that's something to consider. Um, also, you know, one thing that you should do is when if you have a logo that was a part of a trend, like say, you know, you got caught up in the you know, the logo phase of, you know, putting your cartoon on it, right? A cartoon logo.
Speaker 1Here we go with the cartoon.
SpeakerI mean, it's one of the it's a phase, it's it's like a fad, it's a trend, right? Yeah, and I'm sure at some point it was hot, right? And and um, or if you have a logo, like there's different logos that are like, if you look at your word mark, there's like luxury font, there's like uh what considered aggressive font, there's aggressive font. Aggressive font, yeah. Oh, like the bold ones. It's not it's not it's not only bold, but it's like maybe like handwritten, like graffiti almost looking. Uh-huh. They could consider that kind of like aggressive kind of font.
Speaker 3Okay.
SpeakerUm, kind of like feels like a screaming at you, you know. Oh, yeah, okay. So like you might have something that looked cool at that time for that, you know, for that moment. But as you've evolved, like maybe now you're trying to get a more premium crowd. So the aggressive font doesn't really, you know, or the logo mark doesn't really work.
Speaker 1That makes a lot of sense.
SpeakerSo you want to change it to something more premium because maybe you're trying to attract more clients, or you have a vertical. So there's all these different like reasons why typically it's what you want to be doing is matching where your company is now and also where it's headed. So similar to Walmart, Walmart was like, hey, we were, you know, traditionally just grocery, you know, brick and mortar, big box, you know, you come into this huge building and you this is what you get. Now they're going into a more digital age, right? Trying to get you to focus more on their app and different things like that. So they want to modernize the logo, right? They want to make it more look like an app, like more app friendly, right? And so that's like a signal, right? So similarly with small business owners, if it's like, hey, you had this logo and it had this look and it was attracting this audience, but now you're shifting towards a new audience or you're shifting towards a new offer, it might be a good time to go ahead and switch that up.
Speaker 1Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
SpeakerYeah.
Subtle Tweaks Versus Full Rebrand
Speaker 1So when they're changing their logo, because it's not just about like changing your logo, right? Because your logo might be on all of your merchandise, it's gonna be on your letterhead, on your website, on your, you know, EPKs or you know, all these other different digital assets or physical assets that you have, promotional items. So would it make sense to, if you want to change your logo, just to do a full rebrand or just change your logo?
SpeakerYeah, I think it all depends on the objective, right? So sometimes you're not very far off from the look that you want. Sometimes it literally is just, you know, maybe um, you know, maybe your your font and your logo mark, your word mark is not bolded and you bold it and it just makes it feel a little bit different. I would say to play with it, right? To test it. So you could go for subtle changes, as in just subtle changes in your font. Like say you you have your logo mark, which is like your symbol, and you have your word mark, which is how it's written. You can make a subtle change and just change the written part of it. To a different font. And, you know, maybe it's like a little more curved or a little more bold or just subtle changes. And it actually will, even though it's subtle, it actually makes it feel different.
Speaker 1So you don't have to be married to it. Like it's not set stone. This is my logo forever.
SpeakerNo, definitely not. Definitely not. Look at literally look at big corporations to signal to you how that's not the way to go. And imagine so people talk about like, oh man, I don't have to change all this. I gotta change the logo everywhere. Imagine what Walmart has to do.
Speaker 1Oh man. They change exactly. The stores, the trucks, the website everywhere.
SpeakerThat's the point. Yeah, the point is make it happen because you ain't got all that. Right.
Speaker 1Right.
SpeakerYou ain't you ain't got all that. Logo ain't everywhere like that. We don't have Walmart money. Nah, you probably gotta change it on Facebook and Instagram and some other places. Chill out, right? But like, but it's worth it, especially when you're talking about a rebrand, you're committing to the rebrand, and you don't want to have things disjoining. You don't want to, you don't want to have different logo marks out there because you know, people see that and it's gonna start to, you know, they're gonna start to have a lack of trust for your brand because it looks like you all over the place, right?
Speaker 1But as far as the changes, you don't look all over the place.
SpeakerYou don't want to do that. But as far as the changes go, you're talking about subtlety versus like a full rebrand. I would test both out. I would, you know, get maybe a focus group, a small group of people that are your clients.
Speaker 1Not your friends and family. Like don't ask your auntie.
SpeakerNot your friends and family.
unknownOkay.
SpeakerNot people who are just gonna tell you, yes, it looks great. Oh, maybe it looks great.
Speaker 1Because they don't want to hurt your feelings.
SpeakerExactly. No, your clients, people who would actually who purchase from you, who, you know, maybe have some brand loyalty to you.
Speaker 1So, you know, because sometimes like send out an email or do like a social media ask.
SpeakerYeah, I would say I would maybe send even maybe to cut collect a small group because I wouldn't try to blast out the options. I would just show that to a select small group of people so that they can give you feedback on if a total rebrand, re-look of the logo is something that looks good, or if it's just a subtle, subtle difference. I'd explain why you're doing it, right? Give context, why what you're trying to achieve, and they can help you, you know, in terms of like meeting that goal. Like, yeah, this is I think hits that target. Um, those are good things that that you should do. Um, because, you know, believe it or not, you know, sometimes it's funny, it's like it's it's it's it goes both ways. Sometimes people ain't checking and they don't understand, they don't even know you changed, right? Sometimes we and our mind is super serious to us, and we're like, oh my God, everyone's gonna stop doing business with me because I changed my logo. They don't even know you changed it, right? And then on the other hand, depending on how popular you are and how how subtle or how major the change was, sometimes it does become a big deal, right? Sometimes people are like, whoa, what happened? There's a this is a completely different thing.
Speaker 1Are you okay? Are you going through anything?
SpeakerExactly, exactly. And so you could end up like having to, you know, change the logo and then seeing that it didn't pan out well and then change it back because your audience was like, We don't like this new logo, right?
Speaker 1So at the end of the day, test, test, test.
SpeakerThat's it. Test it out. Um, you know, and the thing is, here's the thing you don't need to be a billion-dollar brand to think like a billion-dollar brand. Right? You can actually take cues from how big business does big business to see if it applies to small business. And it's not, it's not always one-to-one. I don't want people thinking like you need to be moving like the big corporations because honestly, a lot of times we just can't for various reasons. However, if there are some principled things that we can glean from them that make sense for us, we should be open to that because there are signals that some of these things that they do uh actually work and can apply for us. Um things like evolving your logo for sure, evolving your brand for sure, are good things to do if you're a small business. Um, as you you know, attract more people as you grow, as you evolve. Don't be, like you said, married to the logo where you know you just like, man, I've had this logo since I was born. Since the inception of my business. The logo is my baby. It was my first logo, and I'm never letting it go. Because the thing is, you know, sometimes it really does like date you. I remember going to a restaurant uh recently, I can't remember the name of it, uh, but it was like great decor, it looked real nice, and then then the menu came and they had this old hand-drawn logo on it. And I was just, it just felt so off. It just like it made me kind of question like what I was looking at, like if they really had evolved yet, you know, because I was like, and I can see, I imagine the owners like, yeah, okay, you could do all these changes, but this logo is staying. And you know, sometimes, man, you just gotta let it go.
Speaker 1Because business owners, we can't be set in our ways. Like we have it, business is evolutionary, right? You have to evolve with the times and you know, keep it moving.
SpeakerLook at the Starbucks logo, for example. The Starbucks logo, if you remember, it was first like this hand-drawn, like mermaid woman. With the two tails, yeah, it was it's strange. And then they modernized it and they kept kind of evolving from there. It's the same, it's actually the same mermaid, but it just looks like, you know, more modern, something more palatable, like the more people can actually appreciate it what it is rather than it being something that, you know, just looks so like hand-drawn and personalized.
Speaker 1All I need to see is the Starbucks logo, and I know I can go get some coffee over there. There you go.
Testing Changes And Letting Go
Speaker 1So, just to wrap everything up, you know, what I took away from this conversation was that in order for brands to stay relevant, we have to constantly be thinking about how we can evolve. Yes, right, stay current, stay with the times. Um and what else would you say?
SpeakerYeah, I mean, and just really evaluate your logo um to see if it makes sense for now, if it makes sense for where you're going, right? Um, and that's it. You just, you know, you just take a look and take a step back, don't be so emotionally attached to it, and just say, hey, does it need a refresh? Are we are we heading to a different place? And do we need to to kind of you know present ourselves a little differently? It's there's nothing wrong with that. All that's gonna do, if done right, is going to help you get more clients, help you reach your goals. Um, and the best thing to do is just to test it out. Um, you know, because whether we believe it or not, those things, those subtle things, like logos, um, they do matter in terms of people's perception of our brand, how they value our brand, and how they remember our brand.
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